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Andy Laudato, COO of The Vitamin Shoppe and author of Fostering Innovation, joined us on the latest Blade to Greatness episode and casually used a diode to explain the entire philosophy behind every high performing team he’s ever led. I’ve been in retail and tech long enough to have heard a few thousand leadership analogies. But, the diode one is not just new. You might even think it’s a bit weird. You won’t think so after you hear more.
A 25-year Store Leader on why your Retail Tech pitch dies by slide two.
For the longest time now, it seems every SaaS deck pitched into retail opens by telling the buyer everything wrong with their business.
That’s the move. Slide one is the title. Slide two is “here is the problem with your retail business,” followed by some numbers the salesperson or founder probably pulled from a McKinsey report. By slide three the store operator has checked out mentally. By slide five they are nodding and waiting to politely end the meeting.
I learned this the way most uncomfortable truths land in this industry. From someone who has actually run stores. Kit Campoy spent 25 years managing store teams at PacSun, Lucky Brand, Anthropologie, Tilly’s, and more. She wrote The Retail Leader’s Field Guide. She is the writer most people in retail tech quietly read before pitching anyone real. That’s because she writes a popular Substack, The Voice of the Frontline. Recently, she joined Casey Golden and me on the Retail Transformers podcast and the conversation was so full of retail truths, we barely came up for air.
Here is some of what stuck with me.
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“Welcome in” is a confession, not a greeting.
If you’ve walked into any apparel store in the last three years, you’ve heard it. Someone glances up from a tablet, says “welcome in,” and goes right back to whatever they were doing.
Kit’s take on the phrase is the cleanest version of the problem I have heard. The phrase exists because store teams have twenty things on a task list and zero time to actually engage with a human. It’s a way to check the greeting box and keep moving. The phrase got invented because the job has been so loaded up with ship from store, returns from online, curbside pickup, conversion targets, and email capture quotas that nobody has the bandwidth to look at the customer who just walked in.
The phrase is a symptom. The disease is what got piled on top of the role.
Five departments. Five top priorities. Same week. Every week.
There’s a thing that happens in stores that almost nobody at HQ has ever experienced. Kit named it perfectly. Five different departments at the home office will each drop their top priority on the same store in the same week, and every one of them is convinced theirs is the only one.
Allocations is moving inventory out.
Marketing is launching a campaign.
Ops is rolling out a new POS feature.
Loss prevention has a new audit.
HR has compliance training due Friday.
Each of those, in isolation, is fine. Stack them on a Saturday afternoon with a line at the register and one person who called out sick, and you have the actual job. That sound you hear is the moment the store manager is choosing what task(s) to drop.
They are dropping something. They have to. And nobody at HQ ever sees the trade.
What the corporate-to-store disconnect actually comes down to is this. HQ has never had to look at five of its own priorities and pick which one gets cut, in real time, in front of a customer. That’s the part of the job nobody at the home office has ever had to deal with on a busy Saturday afternoon while understaffed.
80% retail turnover did not happen. It was built.
Ron Thurston has been talking about retail turnover hitting 80%, and somehow companies are still treating that number like the weather. Like it just sort of arrived one morning. (catch Ron’s latest leadership tips on our Blade to Greatness podcast).
Kit was direct about this and I am totally with her. Companies built that number. Pay stopped covering rent. The career path got cut up and sold for parts. Training programs got slashed. The store manager role quietly absorbed about twenty other jobs while the title and the salary stayed the same. Then everyone acts shocked when good people leave for a dollar more an hour somewhere else. We’ve only been talking about this on the Retail Razor Podcast Network for the last 5 years.
There was a stat in the conversation that just floored me (and Casey, if you were wondering).
The cost to replace a single sales associate runs about ten thousand dollars.
Companies are letting people walk out the door over a dollar an hour rather than actually paying them, and then turning around and paying ten thousand dollars to replace each one. The math is offensive. Kit said it cleaner than I just did. And the fact is, this isn’t a new number.
This comes from the same retailers that for years now, since the pandemic, have been publicly saying their frontline store teams are the face of their brand and that “this is the year” they were investing in their training, well-being, and augmenting them with technology. You can do the math on which parts have been left out or never materialized.
The twenty jobs hiding inside one job title.
Ask a store manager what they do and they will tell you they manage the store. Watch one for a week and you will see the actual list. And it keeps growing longer.
HR generalist. Recruiter. Trainer. Loss prevention lead. Customer service escalation point before the thing goes viral on TikTok. IT support for the registers, the Wi-Fi, and whatever new device the company shipped last Tuesday. Compliance officer for federal and state labor law, which in California gets genuinely complicated when you employ teenagers with work permits. Counselor for a team that includes kids going through breakups and adults trying to make rent. Coach. Motivator. Schedule architect. Inventory analyst. Visual merchandiser.
Then they are also expected to deliver the numbers.
This is the part of the episode I think every retail VP needs to listen to twice. Kit is not complaining. She loved the work. She’s describing a job that has been quietly redefined while everyone above it pretends nothing changed.
The stuff I am not putting in here.
I’m leaving out the part where Kit walks through how to actually tell the difference between a store team that’s underperforming and one that’s just overwhelmed. It’s the most useful five minutes in the episode for anyone managing district or regional ops, and I want you to hear her say it.
I’m also leaving out the payroll game. The thing store managers across this industry are doing every single week to keep the floor staffed despite a budget that does not match reality. Press play. You may want to listen twice. Or three times.
What I think after sitting with this for a few days
Most of the conversation about retail right now is happening at the wrong altitude. The decks are about agentic AI and unified commerce and the new store of the future. Frankly, we’ve been doing it here at the Retail Razor Podcast Network with plenty of episodes on those topics. Meanwhile there’s a manager somewhere closing alone tonight, who has not had a real day off in three weeks, who is about to lose her best associate because she cannot get her another fifty cents an hour. None of the slides from NRF or Shoptalk are going to fix that. A different set of choices at HQ will.
Kit’s whole point, said about ten different ways, is that the answer is not more software. It’s going to a store, walking in unannounced, talking to whoever is on the floor that day, and listening without an agenda. That’s the practice. That’s the entire practice.
If you build retail tech, lead a brand, or sell into retail, give the episode a listen (or watch). It’s the most honest hour Casey and I have spent recording a podcast this year.
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Retail Transformers, Season 2, Episode 5: Voice of the Frontline - 25 Years on the Sales Floor with Kit Campoy
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